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		<title>Comment on Basildon Council orders Dale Farm families to pay for their own eviction by Jan Plummer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Plummer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 235 signatures to go - send the petition to your family and friends!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Time for an apology by hengistmcstone</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/14/time-for-an-apology/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hengistmcstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to offer an answer to your question &#039;If it truly “sought to make no points”, then why write it?&#039; 
Over the Christmas period many columnists choose to write something light, trivial and different from their normal fare. I read Monbiot very regularly, and I found his Boxing Day piece refreshing because for once he wasn&#039;t burdening his readers with the problems of the world, he was (as the title indicated) baring his inner conflicts, to his readers. 
On Boxing Day Monbiot demonstrated how life dealt an event that challenged his worldview. Isn&#039;t that what a writer is supposed to do from time to time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to offer an answer to your question &#8216;If it truly “sought to make no points”, then why write it?&#8217;<br />
Over the Christmas period many columnists choose to write something light, trivial and different from their normal fare. I read Monbiot very regularly, and I found his Boxing Day piece refreshing because for once he wasn&#8217;t burdening his readers with the problems of the world, he was (as the title indicated) baring his inner conflicts, to his readers.<br />
On Boxing Day Monbiot demonstrated how life dealt an event that challenged his worldview. Isn&#8217;t that what a writer is supposed to do from time to time?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comment Policy by Jim O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/about/comment-policy/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim O'Donnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why have you not published on your site George Monbiot&#039;s defence of the charges you made in a Letter to the Editor and which was published in teh Guardian and online, as well as still being the top Latest News item on your own site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have you not published on your site George Monbiot&#8217;s defence of the charges you made in a Letter to the Editor and which was published in teh Guardian and online, as well as still being the top Latest News item on your own site?</p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by dicegeorge</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dicegeorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with almost everything almost everybody wrote here!

George Monbiot&#039;s reply is at:
http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/
where he writes:

As It Happened …

January 10, 2013




A letter to the Travellers’ Solidarity Network. 



By George Monbiot, published on www.monbiot.com, 10th January 2013.
 
Dear Travellers’ Solidarity Network, 

You have made some grave allegations about me on the grounds of a radical misinterpretation of an article I wrote. It is hard to understand how you could have misread it so badly, but I’m prepared to believe it’s an honest mistake. 

You accuse me, among other faults, of racism; of “imply[ing] that all Travellers are stupid and bestial”; of believing that it’s impossible to be “open-minded about Travellers”; of constructing “a generalisation of Travellers”; of “serv[ing] to criminalise an entire group of people”; of “encourag[ing] the perception that all Travellers are thieves”; of “delegitimis[ing] reports by Travellers of police violence; of turning the victim into the accused”; of seeking revenge and of acting maliciously. 

These are extremely serious charges, and I would have hoped that, for the sake of your own credibility if nothing else, you would have ensured that they were well-supported before making them. I challenge you to show where I have said or implied any of these things. Your account of the story I wrote is pure fiction. 

My views of the situation concerning travellers are contained in the following articles, and they have not changed since I wrote them:
 
http://www.monbiot.com/1995/05/15/britains-cultural-cleansing/
 
http://www.monbiot.com/1999/11/04/criminally-different/
 
http://www.monbiot.com/2003/11/04/acceptable-hatred/
 
I have long argued against the kind of racism, generalisation and persecution of which you are accusing me. However, I do not accept that this defence must extend to pretending that all travellers are at all times virtuous. Nor do I believe it trumps the duty to tell a story truthfully and well. 

What I described was exactly what happened. I made no generalisations, no implications, no comments on travellers at all – except one: “Travellers … were often – and for good reason – wary of telling people much about their lives.” My article sought to make no points, draw no lessons, extract no morals. It was an account of a remarkable coincidence – nothing more, nothing less. What you read into it simply was not there.
 
I see the man I met as part of life’s rich tapestry, and have no malice or feelings of revenge towards him. After I lost my coat, I bought a new one of the same kind; it wasn’t expensive. Every community contains a wide range of characters, and it seems to me that travellers are no different in this respect from anyone else. I made no claim to the contrary. 

When I first read your response, it struck me as so crazy that it was not worth answering. But it has been picked up by other people and circulated online, and has become the basis of a new tranche of hatemail. You have made some very serious false accusations and attacked someone who has a long history of support for your cause on an entirely groundless basis. I am writing to ask you to put the record straight. At the very least I’d ask you to publish this letter on your website.
 
Yours Sincerely, 

George Monbiot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with almost everything almost everybody wrote here!</p>
<p>George Monbiot&#8217;s reply is at:<br />
<a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/</a><br />
where he writes:</p>
<p>As It Happened …</p>
<p>January 10, 2013</p>
<p>A letter to the Travellers’ Solidarity Network. </p>
<p>By George Monbiot, published on <a href="http://www.monbiot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com</a>, 10th January 2013.</p>
<p>Dear Travellers’ Solidarity Network, </p>
<p>You have made some grave allegations about me on the grounds of a radical misinterpretation of an article I wrote. It is hard to understand how you could have misread it so badly, but I’m prepared to believe it’s an honest mistake. </p>
<p>You accuse me, among other faults, of racism; of “imply[ing] that all Travellers are stupid and bestial”; of believing that it’s impossible to be “open-minded about Travellers”; of constructing “a generalisation of Travellers”; of “serv[ing] to criminalise an entire group of people”; of “encourag[ing] the perception that all Travellers are thieves”; of “delegitimis[ing] reports by Travellers of police violence; of turning the victim into the accused”; of seeking revenge and of acting maliciously. </p>
<p>These are extremely serious charges, and I would have hoped that, for the sake of your own credibility if nothing else, you would have ensured that they were well-supported before making them. I challenge you to show where I have said or implied any of these things. Your account of the story I wrote is pure fiction. </p>
<p>My views of the situation concerning travellers are contained in the following articles, and they have not changed since I wrote them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/1995/05/15/britains-cultural-cleansing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/1995/05/15/britains-cultural-cleansing/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/1999/11/04/criminally-different/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/1999/11/04/criminally-different/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2003/11/04/acceptable-hatred/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/2003/11/04/acceptable-hatred/</a></p>
<p>I have long argued against the kind of racism, generalisation and persecution of which you are accusing me. However, I do not accept that this defence must extend to pretending that all travellers are at all times virtuous. Nor do I believe it trumps the duty to tell a story truthfully and well. </p>
<p>What I described was exactly what happened. I made no generalisations, no implications, no comments on travellers at all – except one: “Travellers … were often – and for good reason – wary of telling people much about their lives.” My article sought to make no points, draw no lessons, extract no morals. It was an account of a remarkable coincidence – nothing more, nothing less. What you read into it simply was not there.</p>
<p>I see the man I met as part of life’s rich tapestry, and have no malice or feelings of revenge towards him. After I lost my coat, I bought a new one of the same kind; it wasn’t expensive. Every community contains a wide range of characters, and it seems to me that travellers are no different in this respect from anyone else. I made no claim to the contrary. </p>
<p>When I first read your response, it struck me as so crazy that it was not worth answering. But it has been picked up by other people and circulated online, and has become the basis of a new tranche of hatemail. You have made some very serious false accusations and attacked someone who has a long history of support for your cause on an entirely groundless basis. I am writing to ask you to put the record straight. At the very least I’d ask you to publish this letter on your website.</p>
<p>Yours Sincerely, </p>
<p>George Monbiot</p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by Time for an apology &#171; Traveller Solidarity Network</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Time for an apology &#171; Traveller Solidarity Network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by Dion Whitehead Amago</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dion Whitehead Amago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 06:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read Monbiot&#039;s article, then re-read it after reading this blog.  I don&#039;t see any racism.  I think you&#039;re overreacting and mis-reading both the intent and the narrative of the story.  The post above mine explains why better than I can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Monbiot&#8217;s article, then re-read it after reading this blog.  I don&#8217;t see any racism.  I think you&#8217;re overreacting and mis-reading both the intent and the narrative of the story.  The post above mine explains why better than I can.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by Lika</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read George Monbiot&#039;s reply here: http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read George Monbiot&#8217;s reply here: <a href="http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monbiot.com/2013/01/10/as-it-happened/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by dojero</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dojero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s utterly absurd to make these allegations against Monbiot.  Absurd first because the article is clearly about a singular incident and contains no racist intent or feeling (you use the word imply often; I would suggest that you stop inferring where no implication is made).  Absurd second because Monbiot&#039;s entire history is one of fighting against such prejudice and for the victim.  If we want to infer anything from his unstated intentions, we should infer the best of intents on that basis of that history.  You do yourself no credit by writing such hysterical charges against a decent man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s utterly absurd to make these allegations against Monbiot.  Absurd first because the article is clearly about a singular incident and contains no racist intent or feeling (you use the word imply often; I would suggest that you stop inferring where no implication is made).  Absurd second because Monbiot&#8217;s entire history is one of fighting against such prejudice and for the victim.  If we want to infer anything from his unstated intentions, we should infer the best of intents on that basis of that history.  You do yourself no credit by writing such hysterical charges against a decent man.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by pcon12</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pcon12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In order to be sensitive towards the feelings, reputation and well-being of a group is it necessary to never say anything bad about any member of that group?  Clearly not.  That would be absurd as we would never be able to say anything bad about anyone.  So, telling this story about a particular individual who happened to steal some things is not, in and of itself, offensive.  It is offensive if this individual is said or implied to be representative of their group.  That is, if one suggests that if an individual Traveller stole a coat then all Travellers are thieves.

I don&#039;t find anything in Monbiot&#039;s article to suggest that all Travellers are thieves because one particular individual apparently was.  I don&#039;t see any generalisation of this sort at all, just a story about an individual.  Perhaps he didn&#039;t go out of his way to say that this man was NOT representative of his group but that isn&#039;t the same as actually saying or suggesting that he IS representative.  Consequently, I don&#039;t think the accusations of racism are at all fair.

As I understood it, the article was not about Travellers in general but rather about liberal guilt and anarchist naivety.  It was about how a group of people who thought that they could found a community based on dialogue and understanding, rejecting all violence and coercion, reacted when some individuals moved into that community who didn&#039;t share their nice, bourgeois, liberal sensibilities.  They found that their community was lacking a mechanism to deal with such individuals, so they had to resort to the mechanisms of the state, the Police.

That is the only moral of the story that I can see.  Beyond that it was just a story about a coat and a coincidence -- an &quot;it&#039;s a small world&quot; moment.  I find that the article is actually quite sensitive to the individual involved, it acknowledges the hardships he has likely endured at the hands of the Police and so on and indicates no enduring malice towards him.  Consequently, I find this whole storm-in-a-teacup rather shameful.

&quot;Racism&quot; is not a term that should be thrown around so loosely and baselessly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to be sensitive towards the feelings, reputation and well-being of a group is it necessary to never say anything bad about any member of that group?  Clearly not.  That would be absurd as we would never be able to say anything bad about anyone.  So, telling this story about a particular individual who happened to steal some things is not, in and of itself, offensive.  It is offensive if this individual is said or implied to be representative of their group.  That is, if one suggests that if an individual Traveller stole a coat then all Travellers are thieves.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find anything in Monbiot&#8217;s article to suggest that all Travellers are thieves because one particular individual apparently was.  I don&#8217;t see any generalisation of this sort at all, just a story about an individual.  Perhaps he didn&#8217;t go out of his way to say that this man was NOT representative of his group but that isn&#8217;t the same as actually saying or suggesting that he IS representative.  Consequently, I don&#8217;t think the accusations of racism are at all fair.</p>
<p>As I understood it, the article was not about Travellers in general but rather about liberal guilt and anarchist naivety.  It was about how a group of people who thought that they could found a community based on dialogue and understanding, rejecting all violence and coercion, reacted when some individuals moved into that community who didn&#8217;t share their nice, bourgeois, liberal sensibilities.  They found that their community was lacking a mechanism to deal with such individuals, so they had to resort to the mechanisms of the state, the Police.</p>
<p>That is the only moral of the story that I can see.  Beyond that it was just a story about a coat and a coincidence &#8212; an &#8220;it&#8217;s a small world&#8221; moment.  I find that the article is actually quite sensitive to the individual involved, it acknowledges the hardships he has likely endured at the hands of the Police and so on and indicates no enduring malice towards him.  Consequently, I find this whole storm-in-a-teacup rather shameful.</p>
<p>&#8220;Racism&#8221; is not a term that should be thrown around so loosely and baselessly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To George Monbiot and The Guardian&#8230; by Chris Boyd</title>
		<link>http://travellersolidarity.org/2013/01/02/to-george-monbiot-and-the-guardian/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monbiot started pimping nuclear power a few years ago and now this. I hate liberals!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monbiot started pimping nuclear power a few years ago and now this. I hate liberals!</p>
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